| Archive for Coastal Model Car Racing Club Suffolk's premier radio control racing complex for 1/10 electric on road and off road cars |
| Paul |
AGMThe date for the 2008 AGM has not been announced as yet but in view of the number of posts flying around aboout changes to the regulations for various classes, please can you put your suggestions here.Please keep then concise and to the point as this will form the basis of the agenda for the AGM. |
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| CuttingEdge |
Next Years Stock Class to be 13.5 & 27turn combined | ||
| No. 46 |
Touring Car Class
1 - Have open class only. There is minimal advantage, if any, in running hot motors around coastal. 2 - Have 3 lap qualifying at every meeting. Adds far more excitement and tactics to the qualifying. 3 - Have longer finals. With todays cells and motors, why are we still racing for 5 minutes? Im not saying that the races should be 10+ minutes. But maybe 30-35laps, or have final leg 1 for 25 laps, leg 2 for 30 laps and 35 laps for leg 3. Mini/Beginners Class 1 - All motors to have same connectors, and pulled out of a box at random at the start of the meeting. 2 - Any tyres allowed, as the 'kit' tamiya tyres are fairly pricey and do not last very long. Much cheaper and durable versions are avaliable, but nothing performs as well as new kit tyres. 3 - Any other modifactions can be made as very little seems to make these cars faster, but there are parts avaliable to make them much stronger. Off road Only 1 point. Keep the Huge straight on the hill. POWEEEERRRRRRRR |
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| CuttingEdge |
Minis Lipo allowed 3200 limit makes sence as most people have Lipo chargers now and they are cheaper and last longer ............. | ||
| markw |
do lipos fit in a mini?
Have 3 lap qualifying at every meeting. Adds far more excitement and tactics to the qualifying.. wud rather keep 5mins and have 3 laps wen its wet.. |
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| admin |
Since this is a beginners class I think it is best to keep the cells as designed for the car, unless there is a new chassis available from Tamiya to take lipo I would suggest not. But as always it is up to the members. But again I stress this is aimed at beginners. A more important question is the M04 rear drive chassis allowed ( as the new Beetle kit) |
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| admin |
As for the date of the AGM it will be at the meeting on 9th November during the "lunch" break.
Edited by Admin reason date change |
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| No. 46 |
There are many lipo packs that will fit into a mini, and they are soooo cheap.
http://www.rcmart.com/catalog/rc-...3200mah-p-27501.html?cPath=52_973 $70 for 2 packs. Cant be bad. Not sure if they are sold over here yet though. Im sure somebody can tell me. For the price, a new starter would be far better of with lipo. The chargers are avalaible dirt cheap now, and lipo packs are not much more expensive than Nimhs to start with, and they are far cheaper in the medium term let alone the long term. With regards to the m04. Why not any tamiya beginner type kit as long as its running a silver can motor. i wouldn't think there was much performance differance between tamiya kits when running silver can motors. |
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| CuttingEdge |
I agree with NO 46 Lipo chargers are cheaper and a good quality LIPO 3200 1s £29.99 and it will last and be better value for money than out of date old 3000 nihm packs
And fit straight in no prob ................ For the mini class that is and yes any Tamiya starter kit 
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| Sams Old Man |
Only Tamiya Silver can motors to be allowed in the Mini Class, as the Mardave Silver Cans are actually 25turn!!! 
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| Trigati |
The M04 is much harder to drive than the M03 - anyone is welcome to try mine next time I'm down....
1.For touring qualifying - A mix of both formats. Final leg 1 grid determined by 3 lap method. Final leg 2 grid determined by usual 5 min qualify Final leg 3 grid determined by combined leg 1&2 result or even reversed? This balances it for drivers good at 3 laps and good at the full 5 min heat. Anyone good at both styles has better chances overall, as should be the case for drivers with better all round abilities. 2.Driver handicapping for Minis. Instead of weight penalties like WTCC how about time penalties in 5 or 10 second chunks. Then at the end of the next race the penalties are applied to finishing times and positions/points determined. Every 1st place is 10s, every 2nd place 5s adding up to a max of 30s. 3rd place finish is no change but finish 4th or lower lets you remove 5s down until you hit 0s penalty. This even gives 'the beginners' the chance to finish ahead of front runners in the results if they could keep with 30s of the lead car! 3.Race Start etiquette - Setting/enforcing rules for drivers getting to the grid and marshalls to their posts. So often 1 or 2 drivers can keep the rest waiting minutes on the rostrum. Something like once the race start is called out, there are 2 minutes to get onto the grid, once expired missing drivers will be called once by name, they then have a further minute to appear. Also at this time last call for marshals is made, again 1 minute. At the end of that minute the race starts and missing marshals loose their last result. Drivers obviously are penalised in that session by missing the start. If a driver needs more time then they must ask race control before the 2 minute warning, so race control can inform everyone of a 3-5 minute delay. |
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| admin |
Please remember when suggesting any changes to the format of racing, that they must be easily managed.
We do not want to have to manually add times - sort out qualifying - etc. If it can be done through the race program fine, if it can't then sorry - unless you are prepared to do the manual work at EVERY meeting |
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| admin |
I had a look at Les' and thought it said 27T on the label, but might be mistaken as I didn't have my glasses on 
If they are 25T then they are not within the regs and therefore will not be allowed. Just checked Mardave site and they are 25T so not allowed |
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| admin |
Do we want the AGM earlier?
Thinking of those who want to get rc stuff for Xmas 
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| CuttingEdge |
Mardave motors are 25turn and are not leagle in the mini class | ||
| markw |
just checked my dads mini its a mardave g2 brca legal motor wen he got this motor from galaxy john said it will b ok to use so thats y my dad been running it , i will get him to put in a new motor in wen he gets back from spain (late 2nite i think)... | ||
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| markw |
he was told its the same as a Tamiya 540 motor thats why he got it.. its only been used at one meeting he will change it for the next meeting...
have a look at this regreds silver can motor http://rcdaggerweb.com/clyde/wiki/index.php?page_id=30 Admin - with regards to the format of racing, this is why i suggested just the 3 lap qualifying all of the time. It is easily managed during the meeting and the points can be automatically uploaded onto the website wudnt it be the same wen its wet the pc can b set to 3 lap racing and wen its dry to 5 mins.... |
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| admin |
No because we don't run both together in qualifying, we can set 3 best laps qualifying and 5 min for the finals. We cannot set three different qualifying styles for three finals, unless we run three totally different meetings, which then screws up the mini's & the buggies. There are certain differences between classes that can be set. This is why we don't run the mixed race style for buggies, because we had to run two seperate meeetings on the day. This when trying to run the meeting on the day is a pain the *#se, especially when people drop out |
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| markw |
i meant at the start of of the day not changing in though the day like if its wet in the moring paul will set it to 3 laps racing and if its dry it wil be set to 5 mins. | ||
| No. 46 |
Why are we still racing for 5 minutes? | ||
| markw |
wat are the chances that we will change to 3 lap racing?. i spoke to a couple of drivers that wud rather have 5 mins instead of 3 laps.
or wat bout doing wat we do in offroad do say 20 laps on the orwell or watever layout we have.. just an idea |
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| CuttingEdge |
I am sure it will be put to the vote at the AGM Mark , as for racing for longer than 5 mins I personaly feel going longer you stand more chance of killing a motor than if its just run for 5 mins , I would vote to stay at 5 mins as this seems to be the BRCA standard .... | ||
| Trigati |
In which case I withdraw the suggestions, don't want to cause any hassle. To be honest I just can't perform as well in the best 3 laps qualifying system as I can in the normal 5 min session. And if a combination cannot be implemented then I'm happy to abide with whichever way a straight vote at the AGM takes it. |
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| greyfox |
Have been checking out the Mabuchi 540 motor specifications on the interweb thingy and also looking at some old 540 and 550 motors that are sitting in my garage, and here are the results.
Mabuchi make, and have made, many different versions of the 540 motor. Since it is actually an industrial standard dc motor, they are primarily classified by their output and power consumption rather than the winds, which us R/C racers are far more familiar with. The coding scheme used by Mabuchi is quite simple, and there are basically 3 types of motor that look very similar externally, and only their code number can identify them. The RS-540SH series is the one typically used in RC car kits and this comes in 3 versions, the 5045, 8023 and the 6527. Where the first 2 digits describe the wire diameter: 50 = .50mm etc and the last 2 digits the number or turns: 27 = 27T etc. The end bell can also be made of either cast metal or plastic. You will need to look at the motor label/number to know which you have, the RS-540SH-6527 being the typical one put into the Japanese RTR kits etc....... and is the 27T motor. They do other (and lower wind motors) but these were marketed under a different name. As an example if it is stamped on the end bell 'Made in China - RS540SH - TD079x22' it's a 22 turn motor. The can finish only designates the motors original intended market, matt tin plate finish for industrial use (cordless power tools, hairdryers etc) and nickel plated for toys, including RC cars. So as has already been said the Mardave G2 Mabuchi motor is a 25T motor. Similarly the Tamiya 53068 Sports tuned black motor is a 23T motor. And we all know that the lower number of turns on the armature the quicker the motor. With so many variations on a theme for this motor you'll have to look at the coding on an original kit motor and simply stipulate that this will be the motor accepted for the Mini class to produce a level playing field for all. |
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| CuttingEdge |
I got a cost saving idea !!!!!
How about giving all members & Guests a Number like they do at Lawford Buggy club so we can put that number on our shells when we spray them saving on numbers being handed out every week When you got a number thats it , it never changes Example I am number 67 at Lawford so that number is on my Bug all the time ...... Can the computer say high numbers or will it only do 1 to 10 when its calling a start order Just an Idea |
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| greyfox |
All the suggestions for racing format etc. are great and it's good to see that we are trying to do the best for everyone - but I would prefer it if we do NOT put these to a rule vote at an AGM because whether the proposals stand or fall, we then have to run them for a whole season despite whatever else may change or come along during the course of that season. Surely better to decide just prior to each meeting what format we will be running at the meeting (5 minute/3lap qualifying, 30 lap finals or whatever) and advertise that on the booking in section of the club forum. Everyone will know in advance what format they are entering for and can then prepare accordingly.
As to a proposed Rule changes:- I do agree with Cutting Edge's proposal to run brushess/27T brushed as our stock championship class. It has worked very well at the STCC, especially where it has been wet and drivers have changed from brushless to brushed to continue racing. Would still like to see the Open championship held seperate from the Stock as this then gives the opportunity for two champions to be crowned each year! I also think that Trigati's proposal about applying a penalty for drivers arriving late/not marshalling etc. is excellent and should be adopted without delay. |
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| admin |
Funnily enough Paul is already looking at this. In reality we do not really need to have the numbers on the car, execpt at big meetings. We believe there is a way on the bbk system, but at the moment the number allocation we think is not large enough. The numbers at the start refer to the grid position AND the transponder number. Remember Lawford do not run a timing system so it is easier for them to just call out the "club" number as the car goes past the line, cuts out confusion and cuts the chances of the wrong lap/position being allocated to a driver. We used a system like this when I started racing back in the late seventies Viva numero 27 
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| need more speed |
penalty for les woodsDeleted by admin reason multiple posting |
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| lwoods |
deleted by admin reason multuple posting | ||
| El Capitano |
Due to the considered changes with the STCC in all up touring car weight 1450 grammes, can this be added to one of the suggestions for changes to next years rules. | ||
| Trigati |
Reducing the number of championships.
Now we have a buggy, mini, open and stock that's quite a lot of separate championships. My suggestion is to combine stock and open into just one Touring Car Championship that has alternate stock/open rounds. So it still caters for both types of drivers it's just all rounds count (maybe with dropped scores) towards a single crown. |
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